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		<title>By: disgusted</title>
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		<dc:creator>disgusted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 16:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike i&#039;m disgusted with your response.  How is the allergic child at fault when they come to contact with nuts or other products they may have allergy&#039;s to.  Would you like to walk around with gloves and a mask all day??  Think logically before putting a pathetic comment up and grow up!!  I believe it&#039;s every parents responisbility to stop allergy causing products going into schools.  As for that stupid mum who allowed a peanut butter sandwich in the kindergarden....she is nothing but a murderer and i hope she gets severely punished!!!!  My heart goes out to Alex&#039;s parents and i pray that his soul rests in peace.  It&#039;s sad to see so many pathetic parents still can&#039;t value the life of other children!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike i&#8217;m disgusted with your response.  How is the allergic child at fault when they come to contact with nuts or other products they may have allergy&#8217;s to.  Would you like to walk around with gloves and a mask all day??  Think logically before putting a pathetic comment up and grow up!!  I believe it&#8217;s every parents responisbility to stop allergy causing products going into schools.  As for that stupid mum who allowed a peanut butter sandwich in the kindergarden&#8230;.she is nothing but a murderer and i hope she gets severely punished!!!!  My heart goes out to Alex&#8217;s parents and i pray that his soul rests in peace.  It&#8217;s sad to see so many pathetic parents still can&#8217;t value the life of other children!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 04:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This case is not solved, but other anaphylactic cases often involve touching a surface (door handle, toy, etc.)

I some do not really understand the &quot;false sense of security&quot; issue correctly. One major issue is that the children take more risks over time, such as touching surfaces without gloves.

Contact reactions are usually the fault of the allergic child. This  may be harsh, but has to be said. We cannot allow these stories to silence that tough truth. 

Think of what happens to the child&#039;s character when he/she is raised with the idea that the person who had the nuts is responsible for his/her contact reaction, when he/she could have easily prevented the reaction by wearing gloves and keeping his/her hands out of his/her mouth/nose/eyes . He/she will not understand that he/she is responsible for himself/herself. He will blame everyone else for all his/her own problems in other areas of life. 

Those with airborne allergies need to wear fine particulate surgical masks when in certain places. Immunocompromised people and those with severe environmental allergies do this and just accept it as part of life. 

The basic principle is that those in the extreme minority need to adapt to the world and not force the world to adapt to them. It is morally wrong to force others to massively alter their diets, and possibly raise their food bills, just to avoid protecting oneself the way I described. 

I am sorry about the death of Alex Baptist and others, but my views are unaffected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This case is not solved, but other anaphylactic cases often involve touching a surface (door handle, toy, etc.)</p>
<p>I some do not really understand the &#8220;false sense of security&#8221; issue correctly. One major issue is that the children take more risks over time, such as touching surfaces without gloves.</p>
<p>Contact reactions are usually the fault of the allergic child. This  may be harsh, but has to be said. We cannot allow these stories to silence that tough truth. </p>
<p>Think of what happens to the child&#8217;s character when he/she is raised with the idea that the person who had the nuts is responsible for his/her contact reaction, when he/she could have easily prevented the reaction by wearing gloves and keeping his/her hands out of his/her mouth/nose/eyes . He/she will not understand that he/she is responsible for himself/herself. He will blame everyone else for all his/her own problems in other areas of life. </p>
<p>Those with airborne allergies need to wear fine particulate surgical masks when in certain places. Immunocompromised people and those with severe environmental allergies do this and just accept it as part of life. </p>
<p>The basic principle is that those in the extreme minority need to adapt to the world and not force the world to adapt to them. It is morally wrong to force others to massively alter their diets, and possibly raise their food bills, just to avoid protecting oneself the way I described. </p>
<p>I am sorry about the death of Alex Baptist and others, but my views are unaffected.</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe nut free is one piece of risk reduction, but education and awareness vital and the most important aspect of food allergy management. As a mother of child with extreme peanut, tree nut and dairy allergies to have our school still believe peanuts are the only food that can kill is disappointing to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe nut free is one piece of risk reduction, but education and awareness vital and the most important aspect of food allergy management. As a mother of child with extreme peanut, tree nut and dairy allergies to have our school still believe peanuts are the only food that can kill is disappointing to say the least.</p>
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		<title>By: stef</title>
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		<dc:creator>stef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 01:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the director of a child care centre and am very wary of using the term &quot;nut free&quot;.  We provide the children with meals daily and we do not use nuts or eggs for that matter in our foods.  However by claiming &quot;nut free&quot; we may leave ourselves open to litigation as we cannot control items (which are increasing in numbers) that claim &quot;traces of nut&quot; we also cannot control what happens in individual homes.  We make parents aware that we do endervour to keep nuts off the premises but by the same token we do not want to mislead anyone.  I have witnessed an incident where child(a) kissed child(b) and child(b) developed hives.  After an investigation the child(a) have had nut cereal for breakfast. I want to assure you all that we take all your children&#039;s allergies seriously and we (esp in Victoria) have learnt a lot from these tragic cases</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the director of a child care centre and am very wary of using the term &#8220;nut free&#8221;.  We provide the children with meals daily and we do not use nuts or eggs for that matter in our foods.  However by claiming &#8220;nut free&#8221; we may leave ourselves open to litigation as we cannot control items (which are increasing in numbers) that claim &#8220;traces of nut&#8221; we also cannot control what happens in individual homes.  We make parents aware that we do endervour to keep nuts off the premises but by the same token we do not want to mislead anyone.  I have witnessed an incident where child(a) kissed child(b) and child(b) developed hives.  After an investigation the child(a) have had nut cereal for breakfast. I want to assure you all that we take all your children&#8217;s allergies seriously and we (esp in Victoria) have learnt a lot from these tragic cases</p>
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		<title>By: vikki</title>
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		<dc:creator>vikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 17:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so sorry to hear of Alex&#039;s death. My son, too, has a severe allergy to peanuts, as well as to soy. He is in a nut free classroom and the cafeteria serves only nut free foods. Because my son is also allergic to soy, we pack his lunch every day anyway. 

I know that his school and the staff are not infallable, but am grateful that they have taken some steps to make my son safer. They have yet to have an incident and have several allergy kids - at every grade level. 

To reduce the risk even further, I also talk personally with each teacher he has to impress upon them how real the danger is and to be vigilent in keeping all foods that I did not pack for him away from him. We also accompany him on all field trips. And we chose this school not only for their nut free class, but also because its less than a mile from the hospital. 

I will say that the school nurse has impressed me. They ask that all allergy kids allow the school to keep the epipens after they have expired. They use the expired pens to train all staff that might need to administer an epi-pen. They inject the expired pens into fruit - like an orange or grapefruit, so that staff members have working knowledge of the pen - which direction it goes, how it feels to administer it. Real life experience is better than reading a label or looking at a chart. Afterwards, they dispose of the fruits safely, so no one consumes them. I just wanted to pass this along to all the other parents out there whose allergy kids are in school. Sharing ideas and practical tips can only help.

Vikki</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so sorry to hear of Alex&#8217;s death. My son, too, has a severe allergy to peanuts, as well as to soy. He is in a nut free classroom and the cafeteria serves only nut free foods. Because my son is also allergic to soy, we pack his lunch every day anyway. </p>
<p>I know that his school and the staff are not infallable, but am grateful that they have taken some steps to make my son safer. They have yet to have an incident and have several allergy kids &#8211; at every grade level. </p>
<p>To reduce the risk even further, I also talk personally with each teacher he has to impress upon them how real the danger is and to be vigilent in keeping all foods that I did not pack for him away from him. We also accompany him on all field trips. And we chose this school not only for their nut free class, but also because its less than a mile from the hospital. </p>
<p>I will say that the school nurse has impressed me. They ask that all allergy kids allow the school to keep the epipens after they have expired. They use the expired pens to train all staff that might need to administer an epi-pen. They inject the expired pens into fruit &#8211; like an orange or grapefruit, so that staff members have working knowledge of the pen &#8211; which direction it goes, how it feels to administer it. Real life experience is better than reading a label or looking at a chart. Afterwards, they dispose of the fruits safely, so no one consumes them. I just wanted to pass this along to all the other parents out there whose allergy kids are in school. Sharing ideas and practical tips can only help.</p>
<p>Vikki</p>
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		<title>By: aarond</title>
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		<dc:creator>aarond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BlueAngel that is very insensitive and insulting to the Baptists to make judgments like that. It sounds like you are either involved with the kindy or some other party that is. You are entitled to your opinion of course and you seem to know quite a bit about the topic. 

Look I don&#039;t know anything about the topic other than what I read through the many newspaper write ups that have covered it. Any cause that results in the death of a child should have you holding your tongue and feeling nothing but sympathy in relation to the topic. Especially when you can see that the Baptists have commented personally on this post.

Our thoughts go with the Baptists no matter what happened on the day.

Aaron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BlueAngel that is very insensitive and insulting to the Baptists to make judgments like that. It sounds like you are either involved with the kindy or some other party that is. You are entitled to your opinion of course and you seem to know quite a bit about the topic. </p>
<p>Look I don&#8217;t know anything about the topic other than what I read through the many newspaper write ups that have covered it. Any cause that results in the death of a child should have you holding your tongue and feeling nothing but sympathy in relation to the topic. Especially when you can see that the Baptists have commented personally on this post.</p>
<p>Our thoughts go with the Baptists no matter what happened on the day.</p>
<p>Aaron</p>
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		<title>By: BlueAngel</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueAngel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would like to make on comment on this. It is extremely tragic that this deadful death has occured.  But one needs to ask why the Batists are trying to blame the kinder. As I understand it even the coroner cannot be sure that this death was caused by anaphylaxis ... One thing we havent heard much about is that this death could also be contributed to a cardiac problem .. one which coould not be confirmed or denied after tissue samples where sent to the USA for testing .. also interested regarding this is that Mrs Baptist has a pacemaker for the same problem ,,,,  peanuts unlikely --  cardiac arrythmia more likely</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would like to make on comment on this. It is extremely tragic that this deadful death has occured.  But one needs to ask why the Batists are trying to blame the kinder. As I understand it even the coroner cannot be sure that this death was caused by anaphylaxis &#8230; One thing we havent heard much about is that this death could also be contributed to a cardiac problem .. one which coould not be confirmed or denied after tissue samples where sent to the USA for testing .. also interested regarding this is that Mrs Baptist has a pacemaker for the same problem ,,,,  peanuts unlikely &#8212;  cardiac arrythmia more likely</p>
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		<title>By: Toni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If my son was allergic to peanuts, I am sure that I too would be fighting for Nut Free Zones. I would give anything for the peace of mind that this is trying to give parents, and the children with these allergies.  Sadly for us a Milk Free Zone is scoffed at as a ridiculous joke.  The peanut butter on a sandwich may be your focus, but for us the risk is in the bread. (new fancy breads with &quot;added calcium&quot; now contain milk)  
I fully respect &quot;American&quot;, and &quot;Nigel&#039;s&quot; views based upon their individual situations, and personally would never intentionally bring peanuts into an environment where a known peanut allergic child is. But in an effort to educate everyone about anaphylaxis, all I ask is that you not forget about the rest of us.  Keep fighting for Nut free Zones for your own piece of mind, but please don&#039;t stop there, follow it up with information about how to handle all the other allergens to keep even more kids safe.  I can&#039;t ban MILK based products in schools, but like you would try if I could!  Our circumstances may be unique, but we should all be on the same team, working together for understanding and acceptance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If my son was allergic to peanuts, I am sure that I too would be fighting for Nut Free Zones. I would give anything for the peace of mind that this is trying to give parents, and the children with these allergies.  Sadly for us a Milk Free Zone is scoffed at as a ridiculous joke.  The peanut butter on a sandwich may be your focus, but for us the risk is in the bread. (new fancy breads with &#8220;added calcium&#8221; now contain milk)<br />
I fully respect &#8220;American&#8221;, and &#8220;Nigel&#8217;s&#8221; views based upon their individual situations, and personally would never intentionally bring peanuts into an environment where a known peanut allergic child is. But in an effort to educate everyone about anaphylaxis, all I ask is that you not forget about the rest of us.  Keep fighting for Nut free Zones for your own piece of mind, but please don&#8217;t stop there, follow it up with information about how to handle all the other allergens to keep even more kids safe.  I can&#8217;t ban MILK based products in schools, but like you would try if I could!  Our circumstances may be unique, but we should all be on the same team, working together for understanding and acceptance.</p>
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		<title>By: aarond</title>
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		<dc:creator>aarond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Nigel for posting that, it is very humbling to hear your views on the topic, 

I&#039;m sure that all our readers greatly appreciate your input.

Melanie and my thoughts go to your family over your loss. It is so tragic and close to home for us, that Melanie can&#039;t even read the news story without breaking down in tears.

Aaron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Nigel for posting that, it is very humbling to hear your views on the topic, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that all our readers greatly appreciate your input.</p>
<p>Melanie and my thoughts go to your family over your loss. It is so tragic and close to home for us, that Melanie can&#8217;t even read the news story without breaking down in tears.</p>
<p>Aaron</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the father of young Alex Baptist and I want to add my thoughts.

In spite of my sons death I still believe nut free policies can work.One of the big problems that became apparant during the inquest was the complete lack of policing of the nut free policy - I had not realised how lacking this was until the inquest. 

I agree with American that nut free policies must by logic reduce the risk by minimising the amount of product, although obviously staff and parents need to be aware the policy may be breached and thus need to be adequately trained to deal with it. 

Also of interest in Montreal Canada  approx 80% of schools went nut free and the incidence of incidental exposure decreased dramatically.

In addition you have to keep in mind it&#039;s not good enough to just say that you&#039;re nut free but this has to be backed up with vigilant monitoring of the policy and enforcement of the policy ( not ignoring it when it is breached). To say lets not have a nut free policy becasue people breach it is as dangerous as saying lets not have speed limits because people don&#039;t stick to them anyway. Lets at least make the effort to keep people safe.In regards to other allergies and banning, the studies show that 90% of food fatalaties and near fatalaties are caused by peanut and tree nut so this seems like a logical place to start.

Our last three student deaths in Australia all due to peanut. Great idea to carry two epi-pens, though on the day Alex died two epi-pens were at the centre and staff were unable to sucessfully administer either of them, this is also despite instructions for use also being available on the action plan. 

This highlights the need for adequate training and regular practice drills with a trainer epi-pen.I&#039;m pleased to hear that there is discussion regarding Anaphylaxis as it is discussion and debate that will lead to education and better safety standards for children at risk of Anaphylaxis.

We like that our son is remembered. He was a darling, loving child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the father of young Alex Baptist and I want to add my thoughts.</p>
<p>In spite of my sons death I still believe nut free policies can work.One of the big problems that became apparant during the inquest was the complete lack of policing of the nut free policy &#8211; I had not realised how lacking this was until the inquest. </p>
<p>I agree with American that nut free policies must by logic reduce the risk by minimising the amount of product, although obviously staff and parents need to be aware the policy may be breached and thus need to be adequately trained to deal with it. </p>
<p>Also of interest in Montreal Canada  approx 80% of schools went nut free and the incidence of incidental exposure decreased dramatically.</p>
<p>In addition you have to keep in mind it&#8217;s not good enough to just say that you&#8217;re nut free but this has to be backed up with vigilant monitoring of the policy and enforcement of the policy ( not ignoring it when it is breached). To say lets not have a nut free policy becasue people breach it is as dangerous as saying lets not have speed limits because people don&#8217;t stick to them anyway. Lets at least make the effort to keep people safe.In regards to other allergies and banning, the studies show that 90% of food fatalaties and near fatalaties are caused by peanut and tree nut so this seems like a logical place to start.</p>
<p>Our last three student deaths in Australia all due to peanut. Great idea to carry two epi-pens, though on the day Alex died two epi-pens were at the centre and staff were unable to sucessfully administer either of them, this is also despite instructions for use also being available on the action plan. </p>
<p>This highlights the need for adequate training and regular practice drills with a trainer epi-pen.I&#8217;m pleased to hear that there is discussion regarding Anaphylaxis as it is discussion and debate that will lead to education and better safety standards for children at risk of Anaphylaxis.</p>
<p>We like that our son is remembered. He was a darling, loving child.</p>
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